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hey everybody how's it going welcome

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back to the channel i'm your host vinnie

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adams

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i'm really looking forward to this one

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it was brought brought forward a couple

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of days um

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because chris has been on the road and

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he's got loads to do and i completely

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appreciate that but i didn't want to

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miss out so we're doing it now and i'm

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not going to waste any more time let me

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introduce my guest for today's show

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mr chris bartel chris how you doing man

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good i'm doing well thanks for taking

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the time and moving your schedule around

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i appreciate it hey my pleasure my

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absolute pleasure

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uh so yeah i appreciate you stopping

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on your marathon journey that you're

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doing so um yeah really so listen chris

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before we jump into sort of the more

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recent stuff i'd love to just get you to

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talk a bit about your military

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background if you could

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sure um

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i joined the united states air force

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back in 1997

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uh my first duty station was nellis air

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force base in 1998

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uh served there for almost 10 years

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active duty on the main base side

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uh during that time i was also stationed

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at creech air force base

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up in nevada i was a cadre instructor

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for gcts

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ground combat training squadron and then

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uh around 2006 i got out of active duty

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status

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and went into the reserves until 2009

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in 2006 i was hired

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for the department of energy uh for the

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nevada test site as a security police

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officer

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and i worked there

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and then my wife when i met nellis she

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got orders to maustrum air force base

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and we moved up there briefly and then

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came back to las vegas and on that way

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back to las vegas it was during the

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federal rehiring freeze

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so i started making phone calls uh back

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to las vegas and got hired with

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a company who had the contract for area

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and worked there part time and then at

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the same time hired with bass

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but the bass didn't know that i was

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working at 51 because you can't tell

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people that you work at 51.

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and then i like actually quit bass and

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then went back to 51 and then went back

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moved to kansas and became a federal

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wow that's quite the resume

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about 25 years of law enforcement

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security and

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nellis and malmstrom and that were there

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chatter about ufos and things around

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at maelstrom yeah i heard about the the

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missile stuff out there i didn't pay

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much i mean it was interesting

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to work at i'm kind of a little bit

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jaded when it comes to uap topic i mean

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i'm interested in it i think that's

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there is something to it you know

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but i think a lot of the tech that we

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see is could be our technology that'll

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play yeah

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so i mean i'm interested in the topic

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but i'm mostly boots on the ground

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looking for hard evidence on the ground

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because i can't control it to the skies

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i have a good idea but i can't control

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what's up there i can't control what's

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no that's fair enough and so uh when you

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first started working for bass did you

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initially go straight into the ranch

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uh when you were when bigelow employed

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bass pretty much there was only there

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was only a small handful of us at the

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ranch that was my detail

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i got hired in september in october i

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every month for two weeks off and on

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and so was part of that actually

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study that you were doing with the ranch

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was part of the awesome program

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i apparently so i wasn't aware of all

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sap at the time but yeah i guess that

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was part of it yep i didn't know about

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that's fair enough yeah that's when i

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heard about it

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living there or was it just like you

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were living nearby yeah i know you lived

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in vegas but you drove up you got a

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rental car and you drove up from vegas

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the time there was when i first got

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hired there was two officers up there

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myself another person

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one person up there

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so one person to secure

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land it was pretty intense

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wow that's incredible and so how long

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were you on the ranch before your the

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first uh strange thing happened to you

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well the first week i was up there

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honestly i'll be honest with you i kind

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of just wrote it off as just another

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ranch you know because i i'm from a

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small town in kansas grew up on

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a ranch we had horses and

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i'm very familiar with that dynamic so

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not very impressed you know but i also

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genuine heart and i think that's key

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that kind of caught me by surprise which

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changed my perspective a little bit like

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there is something else going on out

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uh and then that led me down the rabbit

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hole of trying to figure it out

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yeah so could you just go into a little

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bit more detail on that that canine the

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footprints thing because it you know i

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know i saw it recently on the episode of

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skinwalker ranch and found it

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fascinating but for anyone that might

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not have seen it you're able to just

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talk us through it

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yeah i'll talk i'll give you a brief i

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mean it's a it's very more detailed it

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was a pretty it corresponded in like two

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day event basically but

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at the time there was another officer up

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there and he reported seeing some large

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tracks that looked very unusual and then

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like it it looked like this animal was

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walking on two feet for like maybe 100

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for like a three foot stride and it was

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just bizarre it just didn't look normal

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and then we go to four feet

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but they're very large tracks and uh

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so we went out with the mindset like

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we're gonna capture this thing capture

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this thing which is looking back now is

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completely ridiculous but

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when you're out there when you're out

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there you just gotta have to kind of

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uh adjust fire basically and

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you can't be scared you know

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we're gonna go out there and try to

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capture this thing and then that night

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suspicious the whole night like very

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been following us the whole night

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the triangle which is crazy

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i heard this we both heard this growl

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how ungodly growl

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and we saw this large animal black jump

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out of the ditch and run west and we ran

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after it and it disappeared

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it was it was so the dogs stopped right

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in the tracks and looked at us and we

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looked at the dogs like what was that

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and it was a sun you know just like they

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took the wind out of your sails

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and i remember on the initial report i

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didn't even write i didn't even write

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that i saw it because it really freaked

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me out

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and at the time i had an active q

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clearance with a doe still

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and if you have an active q clearance

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you cannot report stuff like that or

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they'll they'll yank your clearance yeah

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i was crying in a rock and a hard place

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i didn't know what to say

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uh but luckily i took photograph prints

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of it and everything and

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i kind of just kept that in my brain pan

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you know like

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to tell a story to my kids one day

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and then

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you know back then there was no talk of

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a tv show or

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or anything but i was very interested in

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in finding out the big mystery out there

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yeah that led me down a whole different

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no it's great i've actually got the

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pictures here

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let me just show them so yeah we can see

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here the the size of these prints now

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there's

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and the crazy thing is

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back so that happened in october of 2010

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and you know i was there for almost

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six years or five years after that

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or 2016 is my left but

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i never encountered the wolf like that

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again except for one time

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in 2015 i believe i was sitting down at

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the east gate in a lawn chair

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with the dogs and by by now by 2015 the

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ranch became like a second home you know

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i wasn't scared i was out there by

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myself sometimes i would sleep on the

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mesa at night because i really felt like

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the more i immersed myself in the

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environment the more layers are being

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pulled back i mean that's how i felt

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like the more i really pushed myself the

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more things i would experience you know

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so anyways i'm sitting in a lawn chair

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and uh

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behind me

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my back is facing the eastern valley

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where i spent most of my time at too

296
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i heard that same how growl like i heard

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in 2010

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and i came off my chair with the gun out

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with no flashlight like in a spin move

300
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and the dogs went after it and then came

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right back it was like letting me know

302
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that it was like

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still there you know and it's like

304
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it's kind of weird because i didn't find

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any tracks but there was something there

306
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that was trying to get my attention and

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that's how i worked on the ranch when

308
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you least expect it things happen but

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you would think after being out there

310
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for so long i'll have thousands of

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stories and it's not true i only have a

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small handful of stories that i would

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consider uh

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credible you know yeah yeah of course

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you can let your imagination go pretty

316
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wild out there if you let it but i i bet

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yeah now we heard stories of like

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strange wolves right back to the is it

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the sherman family that were there

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before

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bigelow purchased the ranch and they

322
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even said that they tried to follow some

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large creature and the tracks just ended

324
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in the middle of the field and so i

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guess it sort of relates to that in some

326
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way as well

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yeah you know i'd even read the book at

328
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first until because i didn't want to

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have any pre-no you know anything in my

330
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mind to kind of like perpetrate

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something that wasn't there so

332
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it was months later i read that book the

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first the hunt for uh skinwalker and i

334
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was you know the first chapters about

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the wolf and i was like what

336
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you know what is that you know i just

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it kind of freaked me out a little bit

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but

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um

340
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yeah they they they probably experienced

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something and there is a lot of big

342
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animals out there too so

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you know there is big there's mountain

344
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lions out there there's uh you know big

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beavers out there

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porcupines

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very large coyotes but i i'm used to

348
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those animals growing up in a farm you

349
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know this felt like it was something

350
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different because it was a combination

351
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of stuff going on it wasn't just a big

352
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canine it was like

353
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this thing had to jump on us the whole

354
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night

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and was just observing us

356
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and the dogs were acting very

357
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suspicious

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so it was a combination of things it

359
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wasn't just like a one-time event it was

360
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things leading up to a big event and

361
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then when the event happened it felt

362
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like i was in slow motion like i felt

363
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like time compressed

364
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it was so bizarre you know and

365
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it was a strange yeah yeah and a lot of

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the stories even again dating back to

367
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the sherman family were you know there

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was a multitude of phenomena that were

369
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they experienced so did you come across

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anything else you know of a different

371
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type so you know we've had

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people talking about portals

373
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poltergeists ufos did you

374
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experience any of those things for

375
00:12:51,750 --> 00:12:49,519
yourself i never saw any portal stuff

376
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um

377
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ufo stuff

378
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honestly i didn't see i honestly i

379
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didn't spend much time looking at the

380
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sky because of my background i felt like

381
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i had a pretty good grasp of the sky i

382
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guess that's kind of

383
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uh

384
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dumb on my my part i should have spent

385
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more time looking at the sky

386
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um

387
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i focused more on the ground because i

388
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treated the i treated the ranch more

389
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like a crime scene and i wanted to find

390
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real evidence to back up the data or to

391
00:13:18,230 --> 00:13:17,120
back up people's

392
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stories

393
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um there were you know there were

394
00:13:23,350 --> 00:13:20,800
several nights i would sleep on this one

395
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part of the mesa and skywatch all night

396
00:13:27,670 --> 00:13:25,680
long until the morning and i i did that

397
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quite frequently with the dogs and it

398
00:13:31,750 --> 00:13:29,519
was a very cool experience

399
00:13:34,069 --> 00:13:31,760
um but i i kind of treated it more like

400
00:13:36,310 --> 00:13:34,079
uh with a cop mentality of like this

401
00:13:38,470 --> 00:13:36,320
place is a giant crime scene there has

402
00:13:40,230 --> 00:13:38,480
to be some type of residual evidence

403
00:13:42,550 --> 00:13:40,240
that maybe links up with people's

404
00:13:43,910 --> 00:13:42,560
experiences and i was able to find some

405
00:13:46,629 --> 00:13:43,920
stuff you know but

406
00:13:48,550 --> 00:13:46,639
um the poultry guy stuff yeah there was

407
00:13:50,069 --> 00:13:48,560
a couple things that were kind of

408
00:13:52,389 --> 00:13:50,079
keep your your the hair on the back of

409
00:13:54,150 --> 00:13:52,399
your neck stand up you know

410
00:13:55,750 --> 00:13:54,160
but once again trying to document it was

411
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so hard there was one time on the

412
00:14:00,310 --> 00:13:57,519
western side of the property

413
00:14:01,189 --> 00:14:00,320
it was me and another officer again

414
00:14:02,389 --> 00:14:01,199
um

415
00:14:04,790 --> 00:14:02,399
we were sitting there

416
00:14:07,509 --> 00:14:04,800
on a tree tree stump

417
00:14:08,870 --> 00:14:07,519
just kind of processing the day whatever

418
00:14:10,230 --> 00:14:08,880
it's probably about three o'clock in the

419
00:14:12,150 --> 00:14:10,240
morning

420
00:14:14,710 --> 00:14:12,160
and uh it wasn't it was in the fall it

421
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was cold and we're about to head back to

422
00:14:20,470 --> 00:14:17,680
homestead one and uh we heard a faint

423
00:14:22,470 --> 00:14:20,480
drum beat like

424
00:14:24,870 --> 00:14:22,480
just just long enough for me to take out

425
00:14:27,670 --> 00:14:24,880
my voice recorder and hit record and it

426
00:14:29,189 --> 00:14:27,680
was gone maybe five seconds

427
00:14:31,350 --> 00:14:29,199
and it felt like it was coming deep

428
00:14:32,790 --> 00:14:31,360
within the tree line so naturally we're

429
00:14:33,910 --> 00:14:32,800
thinking well maybe there's people out

430
00:14:35,750 --> 00:14:33,920
here

431
00:14:38,470 --> 00:14:35,760
having a powwow or you know we're on a

432
00:14:40,069 --> 00:14:38,480
reservation it's not uncommon but when

433
00:14:41,990 --> 00:14:40,079
we went out to look where we heard the

434
00:14:43,590 --> 00:14:42,000
sounds we heard we couldn't find anybody

435
00:14:45,110 --> 00:14:43,600
and this is back in the early days where

436
00:14:47,030 --> 00:14:45,120
there wasn't a lot of people around the

437
00:14:48,230 --> 00:14:47,040
ranch you know it wasn't a mainstream

438
00:14:49,750 --> 00:14:48,240
topic

439
00:14:51,509 --> 00:14:49,760
there was not many people going out

440
00:14:53,030 --> 00:14:51,519
there messing around so

441
00:14:54,310 --> 00:14:53,040
i don't know that's how it kind of works

442
00:14:55,750 --> 00:14:54,320
out there when you least expect it

443
00:14:57,590 --> 00:14:55,760
something happens

444
00:15:00,230 --> 00:14:57,600
yeah and then obviously you were

445
00:15:02,629 --> 00:15:00,240
security was your job on the ranch but i

446
00:15:05,189 --> 00:15:02,639
read in one of your bios somewhere that

447
00:15:07,189 --> 00:15:05,199
even as security you were

448
00:15:08,550 --> 00:15:07,199
you're part of your job was kind of to

449
00:15:11,030 --> 00:15:08,560
investigate

450
00:15:13,110 --> 00:15:11,040
right these things and not just sort of

451
00:15:14,949 --> 00:15:13,120
guard the place let's say so yeah we

452
00:15:16,710 --> 00:15:14,959
weren't yeah there's this pretty notion

453
00:15:18,389 --> 00:15:16,720
of like we were just some walmart guards

454
00:15:20,790 --> 00:15:18,399
out there that is not true at all all of

455
00:15:24,069 --> 00:15:20,800
us out there were combat veterans and on

456
00:15:26,949 --> 00:15:24,079
top of that most of us came with

457
00:15:28,550 --> 00:15:26,959
um clearance backgrounds you know and we

458
00:15:30,629 --> 00:15:28,560
created we treated the ranch like

459
00:15:32,150 --> 00:15:30,639
another job assignment like i would work

460
00:15:34,310 --> 00:15:32,160
out the doe

461
00:15:36,389 --> 00:15:34,320
and um but part of the job was to

462
00:15:38,629 --> 00:15:36,399
collect data it was to secure the

463
00:15:40,629 --> 00:15:38,639
property but also collect data and

464
00:15:43,670 --> 00:15:40,639
report anything out of the ordinary

465
00:15:45,269 --> 00:15:43,680
and sometimes also uh you know partaking

466
00:15:47,749 --> 00:15:45,279
experiments to help

467
00:15:50,069 --> 00:15:47,759
you know figure stuff out and we did and

468
00:15:52,470 --> 00:15:50,079
that's how that's how it was during my

469
00:15:54,470 --> 00:15:52,480
time you know yeah yeah and did you have

470
00:15:55,910 --> 00:15:54,480
like regular sort of visiting scientists

471
00:15:57,189 --> 00:15:55,920
or anything like that coming onto the

472
00:15:59,189 --> 00:15:57,199
ranch ever

473
00:16:00,629 --> 00:15:59,199
we had nobody

474
00:16:01,990 --> 00:16:00,639
so there was no

475
00:16:04,790 --> 00:16:02,000
so you were kind of the lead

476
00:16:06,629 --> 00:16:04,800
investigators we were the scientists the

477
00:16:07,990 --> 00:16:06,639
security

478
00:16:09,910 --> 00:16:08,000
the ranch manager we helped the ranch

479
00:16:11,910 --> 00:16:09,920
man we were everything but it that's

480
00:16:13,590 --> 00:16:11,920
just how it was it was that's and

481
00:16:15,430 --> 00:16:13,600
and maybe that's why they wanted prior

482
00:16:17,749 --> 00:16:15,440
military to work more with less that's

483
00:16:20,550 --> 00:16:17,759
kind of like the military motto

484
00:16:22,389 --> 00:16:20,560
um i know and before my time there was a

485
00:16:23,990 --> 00:16:22,399
couple scientists out there helping out

486
00:16:26,310 --> 00:16:24,000
and stuff so

487
00:16:28,150 --> 00:16:26,320
um during my time i think we had one guy

488
00:16:30,230 --> 00:16:28,160
but he wasn't there for very long just

489
00:16:31,590 --> 00:16:30,240
little spurts and there was other guys

490
00:16:34,150 --> 00:16:31,600
that would come out in little spurts and

491
00:16:35,910 --> 00:16:34,160
do little things but not for long term

492
00:16:37,990 --> 00:16:35,920
nobody was out there living and because

493
00:16:39,189 --> 00:16:38,000
this is and this is important for people

494
00:16:40,949 --> 00:16:39,199
to remember

495
00:16:42,550 --> 00:16:40,959
to understand what it was like being out

496
00:16:44,470 --> 00:16:42,560
there by yourself okay so you're out

497
00:16:46,710 --> 00:16:44,480
there all night long

498
00:16:48,310 --> 00:16:46,720
working and patrolling looking for data

499
00:16:50,470 --> 00:16:48,320
looking for evidence

500
00:16:51,990 --> 00:16:50,480
you know experiencing things and maybe

501
00:16:54,150 --> 00:16:52,000
not experiencing things but your mind

502
00:16:55,829 --> 00:16:54,160
the psychological effect of what you're

503
00:16:57,990 --> 00:16:55,839
being exposed to you're aggressively

504
00:16:59,829 --> 00:16:58,000
looking for the phenomenon and then it's

505
00:17:01,670 --> 00:16:59,839
not like you go back to a hotel room and

506
00:17:04,309 --> 00:17:01,680
call it a day no you go back to

507
00:17:06,309 --> 00:17:04,319
homestead one and you go you go to sleep

508
00:17:08,230 --> 00:17:06,319
and that's where it gets kind of sketchy

509
00:17:10,150 --> 00:17:08,240
because now you're like okay i have to

510
00:17:11,510 --> 00:17:10,160
get some sleep sometime

511
00:17:13,110 --> 00:17:11,520
and hopefully somebody doesn't get on

512
00:17:15,029 --> 00:17:13,120
the property and kill me

513
00:17:17,110 --> 00:17:15,039
or hurt somebody or break something or

514
00:17:19,270 --> 00:17:17,120
steal something so your mind is

515
00:17:20,549 --> 00:17:19,280
constantly operating in the red zone the

516
00:17:22,630 --> 00:17:20,559
whole time

517
00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:22,640
and you have no relief

518
00:17:27,189 --> 00:17:24,720
and uh

519
00:17:29,110 --> 00:17:27,199
that's how it was

520
00:17:30,470 --> 00:17:29,120
so

521
00:17:32,310 --> 00:17:30,480
now that's cool and obviously you know

522
00:17:34,150 --> 00:17:32,320
we've we've got we're on the third

523
00:17:37,110 --> 00:17:34,160
season of the secret skimwalker ranch

524
00:17:39,590 --> 00:17:37,120
show now under the uh

525
00:17:41,830 --> 00:17:39,600
uh the brandon fugal ownership right so

526
00:17:44,310 --> 00:17:41,840
do you think that it looks from that

527
00:17:46,870 --> 00:17:44,320
series that things have ramped up more

528
00:17:47,909 --> 00:17:46,880
than when you were there oh absolutely

529
00:17:49,270 --> 00:17:47,919
yeah they

530
00:17:51,350 --> 00:17:49,280
they got

531
00:17:53,270 --> 00:17:51,360
a you know brandon fugo has provided his

532
00:17:55,190 --> 00:17:53,280
team a lot of support to get the job

533
00:17:56,870 --> 00:17:55,200
done and that's not a knock on my

534
00:17:58,870 --> 00:17:56,880
previous employer that's just how this

535
00:18:00,789 --> 00:17:58,880
is that's the truth

536
00:18:01,990 --> 00:18:00,799
um i have no ill will towards my

537
00:18:03,190 --> 00:18:02,000
previous employer that's just the card

538
00:18:05,830 --> 00:18:03,200
that was dealt you know you played your

539
00:18:07,270 --> 00:18:05,840
position yeah and my position was to do

540
00:18:08,710 --> 00:18:07,280
what i had to do

541
00:18:10,789 --> 00:18:08,720
but the team that's out there now i've

542
00:18:12,789 --> 00:18:10,799
been out there several times to help

543
00:18:15,190 --> 00:18:12,799
you know pass over data and information

544
00:18:16,950 --> 00:18:15,200
to help with the ongoing research out

545
00:18:18,710 --> 00:18:16,960
there and they have

546
00:18:20,870 --> 00:18:18,720
incredible amount of stuff out there and

547
00:18:21,990 --> 00:18:20,880
equipment and half the stuff that makes

548
00:18:24,150 --> 00:18:22,000
it to the tv

549
00:18:26,470 --> 00:18:24,160
they have so much data that only a small

550
00:18:28,950 --> 00:18:26,480
fraction of it makes it to the tv show

551
00:18:30,230 --> 00:18:28,960
yeah i mean they have so much stuff

552
00:18:31,990 --> 00:18:30,240
yeah i was going to say that obviously

553
00:18:33,830 --> 00:18:32,000
there's a lot of naysayers that say this

554
00:18:35,430 --> 00:18:33,840
is all just purely for entertainment

555
00:18:37,430 --> 00:18:35,440
purposes

556
00:18:39,669 --> 00:18:37,440
and things like that excuse me and the

557
00:18:41,990 --> 00:18:39,679
ones who say that are the ones

558
00:18:44,070 --> 00:18:42,000
who've never spent any time out there i

559
00:18:45,350 --> 00:18:44,080
mean let's be real here if you want to

560
00:18:47,909 --> 00:18:45,360
find out what's going on and that you

561
00:18:50,390 --> 00:18:47,919
went to basin keywords you went to basin

562
00:18:52,070 --> 00:18:50,400
not just skinwalker ranch i suggest you

563
00:18:53,350 --> 00:18:52,080
lace up your boots and you go spend a

564
00:18:54,630 --> 00:18:53,360
couple weeks out there in the desert

565
00:18:56,549 --> 00:18:54,640
like i just did

566
00:18:58,470 --> 00:18:56,559
yeah and then you tell me and tell other

567
00:19:00,230 --> 00:18:58,480
people that it's not real because it's

568
00:19:01,110 --> 00:19:00,240
this the whole you went to basin that's

569
00:19:03,270 --> 00:19:01,120
got

570
00:19:05,190 --> 00:19:03,280
strange phenomenon and it dates back

571
00:19:06,789 --> 00:19:05,200
centuries and there's petroglyphs

572
00:19:08,630 --> 00:19:06,799
everywhere that proves it

573
00:19:10,710 --> 00:19:08,640
and that's what my biggest focus was was

574
00:19:12,070 --> 00:19:10,720
related the native american history to

575
00:19:15,510 --> 00:19:12,080
the phenomena

576
00:19:17,510 --> 00:19:15,520
indigenous history it's called their

577
00:19:19,350 --> 00:19:17,520
culture we're behind the power curve

578
00:19:21,430 --> 00:19:19,360
they're way ahead of us we're kind of

579
00:19:23,510 --> 00:19:21,440
going back full circle now and trying to

580
00:19:25,830 --> 00:19:23,520
understand what our ancient people were

581
00:19:27,510 --> 00:19:25,840
doing and experiencing and also trying

582
00:19:28,950 --> 00:19:27,520
to explain with science

583
00:19:30,630 --> 00:19:28,960
yeah you know i always say you know it's

584
00:19:32,710 --> 00:19:30,640
not the scientific method that matters

585
00:19:35,029 --> 00:19:32,720
it's the native method that matters

586
00:19:37,669 --> 00:19:35,039
understand that history that is key

587
00:19:39,270 --> 00:19:37,679
to really you have to that's

588
00:19:41,110 --> 00:19:39,280
you're not going to learn about skin

589
00:19:42,950 --> 00:19:41,120
walker ranch spend a couple days out

590
00:19:45,190 --> 00:19:42,960
there or anywhere out there you have to

591
00:19:47,510 --> 00:19:45,200
really immerse your body and soul and

592
00:19:49,990 --> 00:19:47,520
spirit into that land and that may sound

593
00:19:52,310 --> 00:19:50,000
like some weird shamanistic

594
00:19:54,470 --> 00:19:52,320
viewpoint but it's true yeah

595
00:19:56,230 --> 00:19:54,480
and and i just spent a whole

596
00:19:59,909 --> 00:19:56,240
eight days with carl the crusher and

597
00:20:02,390 --> 00:19:59,919
james cannon and we went all over

598
00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:02,400
the place collecting data

599
00:20:05,430 --> 00:20:03,600
and and

600
00:20:07,029 --> 00:20:05,440
exploring new locations that nobody's

601
00:20:09,190 --> 00:20:07,039
been to before and

602
00:20:11,430 --> 00:20:09,200
and photographing stuff and i mean we it

603
00:20:13,190 --> 00:20:11,440
was so much fun but it was exhausting

604
00:20:14,070 --> 00:20:13,200
yeah it was a lot of fun but i am pretty

605
00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:14,080
tired

606
00:20:18,070 --> 00:20:16,559
no i bet uh carl's actually he he was

607
00:20:20,390 --> 00:20:18,080
here a minute ago in the chat saying

608
00:20:22,149 --> 00:20:20,400
chris is the real deal one of the few so

609
00:20:23,110 --> 00:20:22,159
yeah i appreciate that carl we had a

610
00:20:24,310 --> 00:20:23,120
good time

611
00:20:26,230 --> 00:20:24,320
yeah

612
00:20:28,070 --> 00:20:26,240
what was the real deal carl's the real

613
00:20:29,430 --> 00:20:28,080
deal what he's documenting down in

614
00:20:31,510 --> 00:20:29,440
southern utah

615
00:20:33,190 --> 00:20:31,520
i hope you have him on the show

616
00:20:35,270 --> 00:20:33,200
he is on to something that could

617
00:20:37,669 --> 00:20:35,280
probably change the history books

618
00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:37,679
yeah i'm serious i've

619
00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:39,440
had quite a lot of private video chats

620
00:20:43,830 --> 00:20:42,000
with kyle recently let's say that much

621
00:20:45,110 --> 00:20:43,840
i i feel like he's being guided to

622
00:20:46,630 --> 00:20:45,120
something different and i kind of felt

623
00:20:48,870 --> 00:20:46,640
like i was being guided up there on the

624
00:20:51,029 --> 00:20:48,880
ranch to find stuff too it's kind of

625
00:20:53,110 --> 00:20:51,039
weird and the team that's out there now

626
00:20:55,430 --> 00:20:53,120
i you know those guys are being guided

627
00:20:57,510 --> 00:20:55,440
for the those who who walk in truthfully

628
00:20:59,270 --> 00:20:57,520
footsteps of honesty and that's the you

629
00:21:01,830 --> 00:20:59,280
have to have a genuine soul and a

630
00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:01,840
mindset when it comes to this subject if

631
00:21:05,909 --> 00:21:03,760
you're out there looking to

632
00:21:07,990 --> 00:21:05,919
do something malicious or

633
00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:08,000
um make profit or whatever i mean

634
00:21:11,110 --> 00:21:09,120
there's nothing wrong with making money

635
00:21:12,549 --> 00:21:11,120
but there's other people involved in

636
00:21:15,029 --> 00:21:12,559
this circle that have had the wrong

637
00:21:17,190 --> 00:21:15,039
reasons or the wrong insight and they've

638
00:21:18,549 --> 00:21:17,200
missed the mark i feel bad for them

639
00:21:20,950 --> 00:21:18,559
because they don't get it and they never

640
00:21:22,710 --> 00:21:20,960
will get it no absolutely and you were

641
00:21:24,230 --> 00:21:22,720
talking there about it being such an old

642
00:21:26,310 --> 00:21:24,240
and ancient kind of

643
00:21:28,149 --> 00:21:26,320
phenomena when you were at the ranch did

644
00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:28,159
you have a good rapport with the the

645
00:21:33,029 --> 00:21:30,720
local utes as and you know in the local

646
00:21:35,110 --> 00:21:33,039
surrounding areas uh it took uh when i

647
00:21:36,149 --> 00:21:35,120
first got there it was

648
00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:36,159
it wasn't

649
00:21:39,190 --> 00:21:37,840
there was there was intel that people

650
00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:39,200
wanted to kill us

651
00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:44,710
it was it was a very uh a very easy work

652
00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:47,200
environment to say the least but over

653
00:21:50,789 --> 00:21:48,480
time

654
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:50,799
years and years and years i was able to

655
00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:52,799
befriend a few locals and talk to them

656
00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:54,320
and really get some good intel and some

657
00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:56,480
good insight about the property that

658
00:22:00,390 --> 00:21:57,600
goes back

659
00:22:01,990 --> 00:22:00,400
way before people even sell the land

660
00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:02,000
um

661
00:22:05,510 --> 00:22:04,400
but before then it was kind of sketchy

662
00:22:07,110 --> 00:22:05,520
for sure

663
00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:07,120
um

664
00:22:10,070 --> 00:22:08,400
you know it's just

665
00:22:11,669 --> 00:22:10,080
you're on tribal land it's a different

666
00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:11,679
type of atmosphere you know you have to

667
00:22:15,430 --> 00:22:13,840
be respectful out there you can't be

668
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:15,440
going out there with an ego and this

669
00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:17,120
arrogant attitude you really have to

670
00:22:20,950 --> 00:22:19,280
just be humble and that's the key

671
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:20,960
you know and that's kind of and it

672
00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:22,799
helped it helped that my mom

673
00:22:26,870 --> 00:22:24,480
um you know she was born and raised on

674
00:22:28,230 --> 00:22:26,880
reservations throughout the southwest my

675
00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:28,240
grandfather used to be the project

676
00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:31,280
manager for a lot of reservations so she

677
00:22:35,029 --> 00:22:33,520
raised me very um

678
00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:35,039
more like a buddhist mindset with

679
00:22:39,110 --> 00:22:38,000
everything sure and uh was very big on

680
00:22:41,669 --> 00:22:39,120
traditional

681
00:22:43,990 --> 00:22:41,679
history and and the ancient history and

682
00:22:45,909 --> 00:22:44,000
then my grandfather on my on my dad's

683
00:22:48,149 --> 00:22:45,919
side he's the one that taught me how to

684
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:48,159
look for artifacts and respect the land

685
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:48,960
and

686
00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:56,240
he was very uh insightful about that

687
00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:58,240
type of stuff but none didn't all click

688
00:23:02,549 --> 00:23:00,559
until i got to the uintah basin

689
00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:02,559
and then i found myself immersed in real

690
00:23:06,149 --> 00:23:04,640
native culture and history everywhere

691
00:23:07,510 --> 00:23:06,159
yeah i mean throughout the whole basin

692
00:23:10,070 --> 00:23:07,520
you have the walker wars and the

693
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:10,080
blackhawk wars all that energy frequency

694
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:11,600
and vibration is displaced in the

695
00:23:14,710 --> 00:23:12,960
natural environment

696
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:14,720
and you know my theory is maybe some of

697
00:23:18,789 --> 00:23:16,559
the negative blowback that people get

698
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:18,799
around the basin is simply the fact that

699
00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:20,799
we are trespassing on ancient grounds or

700
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:23,120
hal or sacred grounds

701
00:23:27,430 --> 00:23:25,200
and just to be respectful if you're

702
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:27,440
going to go out there and explore and

703
00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:29,280
collect data just have that in your

704
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:31,360
mindset hey i need to be respectful out

705
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:33,600
here there's something much bigger out

706
00:23:36,390 --> 00:23:35,280
here and i'm glad they showed that on

707
00:23:38,549 --> 00:23:36,400
the tv show

708
00:23:41,029 --> 00:23:38,559
because the the ranch in the uintah

709
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:41,039
basin is bigger than my photography it's

710
00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:42,720
bigger than a government contract the

711
00:23:47,269 --> 00:23:44,799
science experiment tv show documentary

712
00:23:49,110 --> 00:23:47,279
well there is real history out there and

713
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:49,120
we were just scratching the surface of

714
00:23:52,630 --> 00:23:51,840
what's what we know is our reality you

715
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:52,640
know

716
00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:54,960
absolutely yeah well said i appreciate

717
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:56,720
that a lot definitely

718
00:24:00,710 --> 00:23:57,919
so let's talk about you mentioned there

719
00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:00,720
your photography i'd love to like

720
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:02,880
you know if you could just talk about it

721
00:24:06,390 --> 00:24:04,720
when you first started out with that and

722
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:06,400
some of the places you've been and the

723
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:07,760
things that you found

724
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:10,080
yeah that's yeah um i've always done

725
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:12,960
photography since high school right

726
00:24:15,669 --> 00:24:14,640
as a hobby through my whole military

727
00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:15,679
career

728
00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:17,200
um

729
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:18,640
and then las vegas you know i've lived

730
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:21,360
in las vegas for 20 years i have a huge

731
00:24:25,350 --> 00:24:23,279
portfolio of las vegas pictures that are

732
00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:25,360
probably like probably 30 to 40 000

733
00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:27,760
images of vegas from 2 from 1998 to

734
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:29,360
2018.

735
00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:30,960
i mean i have so many cool vegas

736
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:32,320
pictures i need to post more of those

737
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:33,840
because they're kind of neat and then

738
00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:36,000
when i got to the ranch um i had to you

739
00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:38,480
know i did photography as a hobby but i

740
00:24:42,630 --> 00:24:40,480
had a pretty good mind of the dues and

741
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:42,640
do nots of photography

742
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:43,919
and one of the big things that caught me

743
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:45,600
by surprise was

744
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:47,600
when i first came out there

745
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:49,200
i was kind of able to help debunk some

746
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:50,880
of the dust particles that were mistaken

747
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:53,760
for orbs through flash photography

748
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:56,000
and uh let me tell you it didn't i

749
00:25:00,310 --> 00:24:58,559
didn't make too many friends doing that

750
00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:00,320
there were some guys that were pretty

751
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:02,480
upset that i ex not exposed that i was

752
00:25:05,190 --> 00:25:04,000
just like hey guys this is not what you

753
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:05,200
think it is

754
00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:07,919
if you're taking a picture with a flash

755
00:25:11,350 --> 00:25:09,760
inside homestead 2 where there's three

756
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:11,360
inches of dirt

757
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:13,600
and it's at night and there's you're

758
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:15,679
gonna get tons of orbs

759
00:25:19,269 --> 00:25:17,279
but if you have three dogs laying at

760
00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:19,279
your feet not doing anything

761
00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:21,200
the biosensors it tells you that there's

762
00:25:23,830 --> 00:25:22,480
nothing there

763
00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:23,840
if i'm taking a picture and there's a

764
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:26,080
hundred orbs in it and the dogs are

765
00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:28,000
sleeping i'm sorry there's no energy

766
00:25:32,710 --> 00:25:30,559
there it's dust particles yeah animals

767
00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:32,720
will animals will pick up on stuff way

768
00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:34,240
before we will

769
00:25:37,350 --> 00:25:35,520
so anyways but that's what kind of

770
00:25:39,029 --> 00:25:37,360
brought my camera into it because i had

771
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:39,039
a better camera more high definition

772
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:41,039
camera and i was able to kind of clean

773
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:42,480
out some of the dust particles i would

774
00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:45,360
still get a couple in my camera

775
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:47,039
and then from then on i just carried my

776
00:25:52,149 --> 00:25:49,440
camera as a second piece of equipment uh

777
00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:52,159
to help photograph the ranch for

778
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:54,400
evidence but also because i i fell in

779
00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:56,720
love with the place and there was so

780
00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:58,480
many beautiful landscapes and these

781
00:26:02,549 --> 00:26:00,720
things i was finding i'm like man i

782
00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:02,559
gotta photograph this and just document

783
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:04,000
it because i i fell in love with the

784
00:26:07,110 --> 00:26:05,360
property you know

785
00:26:08,789 --> 00:26:07,120
and i'm glad i did because it was just

786
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:08,799
really a story to tell my kids one day

787
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:11,600
you know sure yeah no and for anybody

788
00:26:15,190 --> 00:26:13,520
that wants to have a look at chris's

789
00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:15,200
work obviously he posts a lot on social

790
00:26:19,350 --> 00:26:17,120
media but if you go to the description

791
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:19,360
below there's a link to uh

792
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:21,600
what's it called i've forgotten it's a

793
00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:23,440
there's a website you've got which

794
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:25,760
oh yeah it showcases it

795
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:28,320
yeah chrisbartel.com and that's uh

796
00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:31,200
you'll also find teres matla's uh

797
00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:32,960
from the university of maryland

798
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:35,200
um he reached out to me two years ago he

799
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:38,880
did and asked if i can donate the images

800
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:40,559
to the museum

801
00:26:44,549 --> 00:26:42,400
and i was like absolutely so i donated

802
00:26:45,909 --> 00:26:44,559
my whole archive to the university of

803
00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:45,919
maryland

804
00:26:50,230 --> 00:26:48,640
one to archive it but for two so other

805
00:26:51,669 --> 00:26:50,240
people can look at it maybe find

806
00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:51,679
something that i missed

807
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:54,480
more academic my eyes on it you know

808
00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:56,080
i thought it'd be beneficial for other

809
00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:57,679
people to see it and maybe they saw

810
00:27:02,149 --> 00:26:58,640
something

811
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:02,159
saw and miscontributed you can correct

812
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:03,120
me

813
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:05,120
so that was good i'm glad i did that

814
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:07,360
because it led to other things

815
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:08,880
yeah no it's fabulous i recommend

816
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:10,720
anybody go and check that out the link

817
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:13,120
is in the description and before we uh

818
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:14,640
before we move on and talk about what

819
00:27:17,590 --> 00:27:15,840
you've been up to for the last sort of

820
00:27:19,430 --> 00:27:17,600
eight days and that yeah got a couple

821
00:27:21,909 --> 00:27:19,440
questions uh

822
00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:21,919
in the chat there so

823
00:27:26,549 --> 00:27:24,559
witnesses and sean asks has your world

824
00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:26,559
view changed with your experiences and

825
00:27:32,230 --> 00:27:29,440
if so how

826
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:32,240
absolutely um

827
00:27:36,549 --> 00:27:33,600
you know i had a pretty good open

828
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:36,559
mindset going into skinwalker ranch

829
00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:38,880
coming from my background with my mother

830
00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:41,520
my upbringing but also the areas i used

831
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:42,880
to work at

832
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:44,720
uh professionally before

833
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:46,080
you know before coming to skinwalker

834
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:47,520
ranch i had already worked in special

835
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:50,080
access programs for a

836
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:52,000
major part of my career

837
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:53,760
but when you're finally out there by

838
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:54,799
yourself

839
00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:56,880
and you're immersed in that environment

840
00:28:00,870 --> 00:27:58,640
it's kind of hard i felt i focus more on

841
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:00,880
like a spiritual spiritual evolution

842
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:03,440
mindset i felt like i evolved

843
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:05,600
spiritually being out there and i really

844
00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:07,440
believe my photography

845
00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:09,360
creativity expanded

846
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:11,360
being out there and it might be just a

847
00:28:15,669 --> 00:28:13,440
simple fact of being alone out there for

848
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:15,679
so long that that was my only hobby to

849
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:17,600
get through the weeks out there

850
00:28:20,549 --> 00:28:19,440
but it really helped me practice my

851
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:20,559
craft

852
00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:22,159
and um and then meeting some of the

853
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:23,200
local

854
00:28:27,029 --> 00:28:25,760
people and talking about oral traditions

855
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:27,039
and then going around seeing the

856
00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:28,799
petroglyphs everywhere

857
00:28:32,389 --> 00:28:30,320
and just the amazing you know that you

858
00:28:34,149 --> 00:28:32,399
went to basements got so much history

859
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:34,159
you can almost feel the energy out there

860
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:35,520
you really can in some of these

861
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:36,880
locations

862
00:28:40,389 --> 00:28:39,120
yeah so yeah it made me realize like you

863
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:40,399
know people operate on different

864
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:42,080
frequencies you know lower frequency or

865
00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:43,440
higher frequency

866
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:45,200
and i really feel like at the ranch i

867
00:28:49,029 --> 00:28:46,559
tapped into a different frequency out

868
00:28:50,710 --> 00:28:49,039
there that opened my mind up a lot a lot

869
00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:50,720
more you know

870
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:51,679
yeah

871
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:52,559
i mean

872
00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:54,640
i'd love to spend time out there and

873
00:28:58,870 --> 00:28:57,440
especially meet her with you car vibe

874
00:29:01,029 --> 00:28:58,880
you know it'll be fun

875
00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:01,039
and before we get into that i've got one

876
00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:03,039
more question here yoni says did you

877
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:05,120
have or still have experiences with the

878
00:29:09,029 --> 00:29:07,039
hitchhiker effect

879
00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:09,039
oh so that one

880
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:10,799
so

881
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:12,480
i've only told this story like once or

882
00:29:15,510 --> 00:29:13,440
twice

883
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:15,520
um because it involves some family

884
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:17,039
members of mine

885
00:29:21,269 --> 00:29:19,440
but yeah i did we did have a hitchhiker

886
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:21,279
event that happened in 2011 that

887
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:23,360
affected not just me but

888
00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:29,510
and this is the honest truth i talked to

889
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:31,279
my mom because i didn't know what to do

890
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:32,399
really

891
00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:34,080
and she suggested that the next time i

892
00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:35,360
go to the ranch

893
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:37,760
grab sage and smudge my house

894
00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:39,120
so i did that

895
00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:40,880
and then shortly after that i felt like

896
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:42,720
my perception of the ranch changed

897
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:43,760
because that's when i started finding

898
00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:45,360
artifacts and stuff

899
00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:46,960
but i really believe the hitchhiker

900
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:49,760
effect uh looking back at it now was

901
00:29:53,590 --> 00:29:51,360
at the time i wasn't sure what i was

902
00:29:54,789 --> 00:29:53,600
doing out there i had no direction i was

903
00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:54,799
just kind of following what i was told

904
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:55,600
to do

905
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:57,200
but i feel like the hitchhiker effect

906
00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:58,880
might be uh

907
00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:00,960
you know you go to these areas that are

908
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:03,279
sacred with lots of energy there and

909
00:30:06,789 --> 00:30:05,200
something attaches to you

910
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:06,799
and follows you home

911
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:08,799
and then presents itself as a warning

912
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:11,120
basically saying you know you trespass

913
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:13,520
on my land now i'm trespassing on yours

914
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:14,799
tread lightly

915
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:16,720
and once i kind of flipped my mind to

916
00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:18,000
that perception

917
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:20,080
um everything changed i didn't have any

918
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:22,880
more hitchhiker problems the ranch kind

919
00:30:27,029 --> 00:30:25,120
of felt more of a positive vibe

920
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:27,039
than a negative vibe

921
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:28,960
and uh that that's when everything

922
00:30:33,909 --> 00:30:31,360
changed for me was that event smudging

923
00:30:36,310 --> 00:30:33,919
the house and then realizing hey maybe i

924
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:36,320
am trampling around out here on

925
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:39,120
something that i can't find or see yet

926
00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:41,039
and that's not and that's not that's

927
00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:42,480
just the foundation of the property out

928
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:43,840
there there's other things out there too

929
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:45,760
the gilsonite and the natural

930
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:47,279
occurrences out there the magnetic

931
00:30:51,430 --> 00:30:49,520
anomalies there's so many overlapping

932
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:51,440
layers to the ranch and and the new team

933
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:53,520
that's out there now really pulling back

934
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:55,679
the layers i mean they're just

935
00:30:58,389 --> 00:30:57,039
it's amazing some of the stuff that i

936
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:58,399
watch the show and i learned things you

937
00:31:02,630 --> 00:31:00,240
know when i was out there for a long

938
00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:02,640
time but what i focused on was most of

939
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:04,399
the native american lore and traditions

940
00:31:09,269 --> 00:31:06,720
and tying that into everything else

941
00:31:11,509 --> 00:31:09,279
but um yeah so after that never had a

942
00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:11,519
problem again so i feel like i really

943
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:13,679
feel like the ranch has this um

944
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:15,120
consciousness about it that knows if

945
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:17,039
you're genuine or not if you go out

946
00:31:19,909 --> 00:31:18,399
there with ill intentions you're going

947
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:19,919
to get exposed

948
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:22,880
if you go out there with a genuine heart

949
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:24,640
you're going to be okay you got and i

950
00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:26,880
used to tell people you know if you if

951
00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:28,720
you're looking for darkness on the ranch

952
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:30,480
you can find it trust me

953
00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:31,679
but if you're looking for light on the

954
00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:33,120
ranch you can find that as well and

955
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:35,519
that's what i focused on was the light

956
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:37,120
through my photography

957
00:31:42,549 --> 00:31:40,080
and um but i had people that i knew

958
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:42,559
that ranch tear them apart you know

959
00:31:44,830 --> 00:31:43,679
um

960
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:44,840
yeah

961
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:46,559
wow

962
00:31:49,990 --> 00:31:48,480
i really appreciate you sharing that i

963
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:50,000
really do because i know like you said

964
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:51,919
you've not told that before and uh yeah

965
00:31:55,909 --> 00:31:53,679
i feel honored for you to

966
00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:55,919
open up like that i'm a lot more i'm a

967
00:31:59,669 --> 00:31:57,919
lot more open now about some things than

968
00:32:01,590 --> 00:31:59,679
before because i wasn't sure what i

969
00:32:03,190 --> 00:32:01,600
could and couldn't say about you know

970
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:03,200
having a clearance and stuff but now

971
00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:04,799
it's like i don't feel like i need to

972
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:06,640
hide anything anymore because it's the

973
00:32:11,509 --> 00:32:08,960
truth and i can back it up with with

974
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:11,519
evidence and and documentation

975
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:12,880
you know i just i mean this is the

976
00:32:17,909 --> 00:32:15,279
problem with with some of these places

977
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:17,919
you have people that have this

978
00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:19,120
perception

979
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:21,120
you know at skinwalker ranch or it's

980
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:23,039
another location and they can write

981
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:24,720
whatever story they want and everybody's

982
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:26,880
going to blindly believe it because well

983
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:30,000
there's already a reputation there

984
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:30,799
but

985
00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:33,440
has anybody fact checked those stories

986
00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:36,240
and i really try to i try to be truthful

987
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:38,480
as much as i can and there was a time on

988
00:32:41,830 --> 00:32:39,840
skinwalker ranch where i just stopped

989
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:41,840
reporting stuff

990
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:43,919
i did because nobody cared

991
00:32:48,789 --> 00:32:46,960
nobody cared that i reported things and

992
00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:48,799
the the company went into a different

993
00:32:52,230 --> 00:32:50,320
mindset of focusing more on the

994
00:32:53,830 --> 00:32:52,240
aerospace side of the house but that

995
00:32:55,909 --> 00:32:53,840
doesn't mean the phenomena stopped out

996
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:55,919
there at all but most of us thought who

997
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:57,039
were left out there we just stopped

998
00:33:01,509 --> 00:32:58,720
reporting things because

999
00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:01,519
it seemed like nobody really cared yeah

1000
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:04,240
and so why am i going to waste time

1001
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:05,600
reporting a bunch of bunch of crazy

1002
00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:08,080
stuff when nobody's listening so at that

1003
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:09,200
point you're just like well i'm here

1004
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:11,200
just on a spiritual evolution or a

1005
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:13,279
spiritual journey basically that's how i

1006
00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:15,440
you know looked at it so that's kind of

1007
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:16,960
what's my focus

1008
00:33:21,269 --> 00:33:19,600
amazing yeah i can understand yeah

1009
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:21,279
so let's talk about this trip that you

1010
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:23,200
you're literally on your way back from

1011
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:26,640
right now yeah how did that come about

1012
00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:28,799
so me and james keenan for last we've

1013
00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:30,399
been doing this thing every year we try

1014
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:31,679
to make it a point to go out to the

1015
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:34,559
uintah basin and spend a good five days

1016
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:36,399
this time it was over a week

1017
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:39,200
and really explore new things out there

1018
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:42,000
and kind of tie it all together uh james

1019
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:43,919
keenan that guy has a wealth of

1020
00:33:49,029 --> 00:33:46,720
information and he does his research and

1021
00:33:51,909 --> 00:33:49,039
he has scientific equipment to back up

1022
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:51,919
the data and he doesn't go just here he

1023
00:33:55,029 --> 00:33:54,240
goes all over the country all over the

1024
00:33:58,230 --> 00:33:55,039
place

1025
00:34:01,269 --> 00:33:58,240
himself

1026
00:34:04,149 --> 00:34:01,279
and spends the time energy and so i kind

1027
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:04,159
of followed james's lead on these events

1028
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:06,000
as the second guy with i with my

1029
00:34:11,430 --> 00:34:08,639
photography and with my experiences and

1030
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:11,440
and uh carl was with us on this trip and

1031
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:13,679
he has a he's on the level two he's

1032
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:15,839
tapped into that frequency frequency as

1033
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:16,800
well

1034
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:18,960
and you know his ability to see

1035
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:21,359
petroglyphs and he's got a great eye for

1036
00:34:25,349 --> 00:34:22,960
that i mean he really does he's being

1037
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:25,359
guided too i think and i think he's just

1038
00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:27,520
started his research and the magic mesa

1039
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:28,480
down in

1040
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:31,040
southern utah and i cannot wait to see

1041
00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:32,240
what he finds

1042
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:33,520
hopefully i get to go out there this

1043
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:35,359
year and spend a couple days out there

1044
00:34:37,829 --> 00:34:36,960
because i can't wait to photograph that

1045
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:37,839
area

1046
00:34:41,669 --> 00:34:39,760
and see what i find as well

1047
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:41,679
and so yeah we go out there and just

1048
00:34:47,270 --> 00:34:44,399
explore all over the uintah basins

1049
00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:47,280
and go to uh new locations and we talk

1050
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:49,839
to locals around the area and find out

1051
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:51,760
uh stories about this place so we go out

1052
00:34:55,349 --> 00:34:53,119
there and spend the night and see if we

1053
00:34:56,790 --> 00:34:55,359
can find anything and some nights it's a

1054
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:56,800
bust some nights it's like whoa

1055
00:35:00,390 --> 00:34:58,800
something is out here you know

1056
00:35:01,589 --> 00:35:00,400
and uh it was pretty fun this time we

1057
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:01,599
went from

1058
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:06,160
wow to

1059
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:08,400
going underground in the cave systems

1060
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:10,640
and i'm out here for two days

1061
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:12,320
and then uh

1062
00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:14,240
just hiking everywhere going to see new

1063
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:17,119
petroglyphs and mckee springs and

1064
00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:18,240
and uh

1065
00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:19,760
just kind of going where the wind blows

1066
00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:21,359
us i guess we would just go hey let's go

1067
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:22,960
here and check it out and

1068
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:24,640
sure enough if we find something like

1069
00:35:29,349 --> 00:35:27,280
wow you know and i photo i have like 4

1070
00:35:31,349 --> 00:35:29,359
000 images i have to go back and

1071
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:31,359
really dissect and see

1072
00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:33,680
what we missed or what we saw

1073
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:35,280
because some of the some of the places

1074
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:37,760
we went to the weather was kind of

1075
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:39,599
super windy or it was raining a couple

1076
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:41,119
days and

1077
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:43,200
so you're kind of rushing through to get

1078
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:46,320
to find stuff and uh it was a lot of fun

1079
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:51,030
i've said to carl like i've said to a

1080
00:35:53,829 --> 00:35:52,400
lot of people when i come out to the

1081
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:53,839
states i'll definitely be paying them a

1082
00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:54,800
visit

1083
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:58,800
the north and the south you know maybe

1084
00:36:02,150 --> 00:36:00,240
brandon or less

1085
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:02,160
a few of us come to skimwalker ranch you

1086
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:03,680
know oh yeah that'd be awesome i think

1087
00:36:07,270 --> 00:36:05,119
you you know getting out there and kind

1088
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:07,280
of absorbs some of the energy out there

1089
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:08,160
um

1090
00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:09,200
i think it

1091
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:11,440
surprises a lot of people because the tv

1092
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:12,400
show

1093
00:36:16,630 --> 00:36:13,920
kind of pain you only see a little bit

1094
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:16,640
of what what the whole basin offers yeah

1095
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:18,720
and there's so many beautiful areas out

1096
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:20,880
there it's just no wonder people were

1097
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:22,560
naturally drawn to that location it's

1098
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:23,680
gorgeous

1099
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:25,040
yeah and if you bit up to them is it

1100
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:26,400
mcconkey ranch though they've got the

1101
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:28,480
petroglyphs in that yeah we've been to

1102
00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:30,400
mcconkey ranch a couple times and they

1103
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:32,960
got some amazing petroglyphs out there

1104
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:35,200
go back to the fremont era you know and

1105
00:36:38,310 --> 00:36:36,720
then we went to mckee springs it's

1106
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:38,320
another place that's got

1107
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:40,640
amazing glyphs as well

1108
00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:42,480
and that was really fun too going up in

1109
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:44,720
those hills and finding those

1110
00:36:47,349 --> 00:36:46,079
glyphs and that's everywhere you look

1111
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:47,359
out there you just wonder is there one

1112
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:49,200
out there i missed or you know

1113
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:50,560
because there's still so much out there

1114
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:52,079
that's being discovered every day you

1115
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:55,040
know that's what's exciting about it

1116
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:55,760
so

1117
00:36:59,349 --> 00:36:57,599
before we before we wrap up i wanted to

1118
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:59,359
know if you've got anything planned for

1119
00:37:02,069 --> 00:37:00,640
the rest of the year obviously you're

1120
00:37:03,910 --> 00:37:02,079
going back to work and

1121
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:03,920
your normal life but uh anything that

1122
00:37:07,829 --> 00:37:05,839
you've got coming up as well yeah

1123
00:37:09,030 --> 00:37:07,839
actually uh i got a project coming out i

1124
00:37:11,030 --> 00:37:09,040
think it's coming out the end of this

1125
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:11,040
month with terrazz mala

1126
00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:13,119
nice um for the university of maryland

1127
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:14,800
it's a little mini documentary that we

1128
00:37:20,230 --> 00:37:17,200
shot last year when i was in dc

1129
00:37:21,750 --> 00:37:20,240
i was in washington dc twice last year

1130
00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:21,760
and uh we shot this little mini

1131
00:37:25,589 --> 00:37:23,200
documentary kind of going over the

1132
00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:25,599
photography of skinwalker ranch and

1133
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:27,280
explaining some of my experiences in

1134
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:28,880
more in detail

1135
00:37:33,270 --> 00:37:30,720
and i've only seen like a rough cut of

1136
00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:33,280
it but it's very well done and it's kind

1137
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:35,119
of cool because it's me telling my story

1138
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:37,680
on my own without being you know chopped

1139
00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:39,839
up in production or whatever yeah and it

1140
00:37:43,109 --> 00:37:41,440
really focuses more of what my

1141
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:43,119
intentions were and

1142
00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:45,119
how my photography has evolved since

1143
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:46,240
then and

1144
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:47,599
so i really can't wait to see it and for

1145
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:49,200
other people to see it and it'll be free

1146
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:51,599
online it'll be it's an academic project

1147
00:37:56,069 --> 00:37:54,079
so it'll be free on youtube and on the

1148
00:37:58,390 --> 00:37:56,079
maryland university website and i'll

1149
00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:58,400
have it on my website so it's just more

1150
00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:00,480
history about the beautiful area of

1151
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:03,520
skinwalker and the surrounding areas so

1152
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:05,280
i hope people enjoy it

1153
00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:07,200
i'm sure they will i can't wait to see i

1154
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:09,680
mean i'm so fascinated by everything in

1155
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:12,000
in those in those areas so i'm sure it

1156
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:13,440
will be amazing

1157
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:15,359
before we go your name's got another

1158
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:18,000
great question sure she says is the

1159
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:19,599
energy around or close to the

1160
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:21,520
petroglyphs different than the rest of

1161
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:22,800
the area

1162
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:24,960
yes there is

1163
00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:26,880
as a matter of fact carl has done a good

1164
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:29,839
job documenting it with uh

1165
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:32,640
magnetic detectors and emf reads and

1166
00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:33,680
reads and

1167
00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:35,280
equipment that shows that there is

1168
00:38:39,990 --> 00:38:38,240
something that some of these glyphs are

1169
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:40,000
are producing different types of

1170
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:42,079
magnetic anomalies

1171
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:45,119
there is something there absolutely

1172
00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:47,200
wow that's incredible i mean i really

1173
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:48,800
hope carl continues on this journey

1174
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:50,160
because like i said i've spoken to him a

1175
00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:52,240
lot about it and he's definitely

1176
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:53,839
working in the right direction to

1177
00:38:56,790 --> 00:38:55,680
finding some incredible

1178
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:56,800
dogs

1179
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:58,880
he's on the right path that's for sure

1180
00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:01,200
yeah well listen chris thank you so much

1181
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:03,040
for taking your time out of your drive i

1182
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:04,240
know you said you've got about another

1183
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:06,560
13 hours ahead of you um no i don't i

1184
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:08,160
don't envy you there

1185
00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:09,920
this is a nice break and that's why i

1186
00:39:13,910 --> 00:39:11,680
want to do this interview while things

1187
00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:13,920
were still fresh in my mind and i didn't

1188
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:16,000
go back to going back to dad and and

1189
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:17,680
back to my job so i'm glad we were able

1190
00:39:20,950 --> 00:39:18,960
to work it out and i really appreciate

1191
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:20,960
your time and allowing me to to tell

1192
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:22,800
some of my stuff now you're welcome

1193
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:25,040
absolutely any time man i really i

1194
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:27,280
really mean that genuinely i cannot

1195
00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:29,040
thank you enough man so please stay in

1196
00:39:32,550 --> 00:39:30,880
touch i look forward to seeing your

1197
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:32,560
little documentary that's coming out

1198
00:39:35,109 --> 00:39:34,320
yeah so yeah

1199
00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:35,119
all right

1200
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:37,280
take care thank you man

1201
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:39,520
speak soon safe journey thank you bye

1202
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:42,880
for now bye-bye

1203
00:39:47,109 --> 00:39:45,200
well guys that was amazing i really

1204
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:47,119
really appreciated chris literally

1205
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:49,680
stopping mid-journey to come and talk to

1206
00:39:54,829 --> 00:39:52,560
to me and answer questions and he did

1207
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:54,839
say he's got another 13 hours of driving

1208
00:40:00,310 --> 00:39:58,800
so yeah i know how hard that is um

1209
00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:00,320
so guys thank you so much for being here

1210
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:03,520
in the live chat uh i'm hoping to maybe

1211
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:05,680
do a video this weekend i'm gonna be at

1212
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:08,560
the awakening expo in blackpool

1213
00:40:12,309 --> 00:40:10,640
uh it's this big conference that's

1214
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:12,319
happening i'm gonna be there with a lot

1215
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:14,240
of my colleagues from uap media uk so

1216
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:15,599
i'm thinking about making some kind of

1217
00:40:19,349 --> 00:40:17,599
video possibly even doing some kind of

1218
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:19,359
live stream i've not decided yet i'm

1219
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:21,200
gonna check to see what the

1220
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:23,520
the signals like when i'm up there so

1221
00:40:27,190 --> 00:40:25,280
you know look out for something i will

1222
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:27,200
be posting a lot across my social medias

1223
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:29,280
while i'm there

1224
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:30,960
yeah then next week

1225
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:32,720
i i've got

1226
00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:35,040
uh who am i joined by steve bassett is

1227
00:40:40,390 --> 00:40:37,280
coming on on the 29th but i have today

1228
00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:40,400
just arranged for the full cast of the

1229
00:40:44,630 --> 00:40:42,640
upcoming phenomenology documentary that

1230
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:44,640
i was a part of in colombia we're going

1231
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:48,000
to do a big panel discussion on the 28th

1232
00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:49,760
so i'm looking forward to that

1233
00:40:53,829 --> 00:40:51,760
so again go over to my instagram my

1234
00:40:55,990 --> 00:40:53,839
twitter you can keep keep up with all

1235
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:56,000
the announcements there

1236
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:57,040
so yeah

1237
00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:58,240
thank you so much guys i really

1238
00:41:00,790 --> 00:40:59,760
appreciate you being here enjoy the rest

1239
00:41:03,030 --> 00:41:00,800
of your day